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Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. The show is known for innovative sound design, smashing information into music. It is hosted by Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser.

Qasem Waleed is a 28-year-old physicist who has lived in Gaza his whole life. In 2024, he joined a chorus of Palestinians sharing videos and pictures and writing about the chaos and violence they were living through, as Israel’s military bombardment devastated their lives. But Qasem was trying to describe his reality through the lens of the most notoriously confusing and inscrutable field of science ever, quantum mechanics. We talked to him, from a cafe near the Al-Mawasi section of Gaza, to find out why. And over the course of several conversations, he told us how this reality-breaking corner of science has helped him survive. And how such unspeakable violence actually let him understand, in a visceral way, quantum mechanics’ most counter-intuitive ideas. Special thanks to Katya Rogers, Karim Kattan, Allan Adams, Sarah Qari, Soren Wheeler, and Pat Walters EPISODE CREDITS:  Reported by - Lulu Miller Produced by - Jessica Yung with mixing help from - Jeremy Bloom Fact-checking by - Emily Kreiger and Edited by  - Alex Neason EPISODE CITATIONS:Videos - <ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVmeOCJjOU">A Brief History of Quantum Mechanics with Sean Carroll, The Royal Institution</a> (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVmeOCJjOU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVmeOCJjOU</a>)</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3bPUKo5zc">Introduction to Superposition, with MIT’s Allan Adams</a> (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3bPUKo5zc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3bPUKo5zc</a>)</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI4DlWQ_1w">The Quantum Wavefunction, Explained </a>(<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI4DlWQ_1w">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI4DlWQ_1w</a>)</li></ul>Articles -  Read a selection of Qasem’s published essays about his life in Gaza and the quantum world: <ul><li><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/12/19/i-am-stuck-in-a-box-like-schrodingers-in-gaza">I am stuck in a box like Schrodinger’s in Gaza</a> (<a href="https://zpr.io/ALDVi9E5bRt8">https://zpr.io/ALDVi9E5bRt8</a>) </li><li><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/7/17/israel-has-turned-gazas-summer-into-a-weapon">Israel has turned Gaza’s summer into a weapon</a> (<a href="https://zpr.io/YS4WK4hVQC5T">https://zpr.io/YS4WK4hVQC5T</a>)</li><li><a href="https://electronicintifada.net/content/physics-death-gaza/46081">The Physics of Death in Gaza</a> (<a href="https://zpr.io/hxsgxicVqPAd">https://zpr.io/hxsgxicVqPAd</a>) </li></ul>Signup for our newsletter!! It includes short essays, recommendations, and details about other ways to interact with the show. <a href="https://radiolab.org/newsletter">Sign up</a> (https://radiolab.org/newsletter)!Radiolab is supported by listeners like you. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of <a href="http://members.radiolab.org">The Lab</a> (https://members.radiolab.org/) today.Follow our show on <a href="http://instagram.com/radiolab">Instagram</a>, <a href="http://twitter.com/radiolab">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://facebook.com/radiolab">Facebook</a> @radiolab, and share your thoughts with us by emailing <a href="mailto:radiolab@wnyc.org">radiolab@wnyc.org</a>. Leadership support for Radiolab’s science programming is provided by the Simons Foundation and the John Templeton Foundation. Foundational support for Radiolab was provided by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation.

Qasem Waleed is a 28-year-old physicist who has lived in Gaza his whole life. In 2024, he joined a chorus of Palestinians sharing videos and pictures and writing about the chaos and violence they were living through, as Israel’s military bombardment devastated their lives. But Qasem was trying to describe his reality through the lens of the most notoriously confusing and inscrutable field of science ever, quantum mechanics. We talked to him, from a cafe near the Al-Mawasi section of Gaza, to find out why. And over the course of several conversations, he told us how this reality-breaking corner of science has helped him survive. And how such unspeakable violence actually let him understand, in a visceral way, quantum mechanics’ most counter-intuitive ideas. Special thanks to Katya Rogers, Karim Kattan, Allan Adams, Sarah Qari, Soren Wheeler, and Pat Walters EPISODE CREDITS:  Reported by - Lulu Miller Produced by - Jessica Yung with mixing help from - Jeremy Bloom Fact-checking by - Emily Krieger and Edited by  - Alex Neason EPISODE CITATIONS:Videos - <ul><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVmeOCJjOU">A Brief History of Quantum Mechanics with Sean Carroll, The Royal Institution</a> (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVmeOCJjOU">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVmeOCJjOU</a>)</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3bPUKo5zc">Introduction to Superposition, with MIT’s Allan Adams</a> (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3bPUKo5zc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ3bPUKo5zc</a>)</li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI4DlWQ_1w">The Quantum Wavefunction, Explained </a>(<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI4DlWQ_1w">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI4DlWQ_1w</a>)</li></ul>Articles -  Read a selection of Qasem’s published essays about his life in Gaza and the quantum world: <ul><li><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/12/19/i-am-stuck-in-a-box-like-schrodingers-in-gaza">I am stuck in a box like Schrodinger’s in Gaza</a> (<a href="https://zpr.io/ALDVi9E5bRt8">https://zpr.io/ALDVi9E5bRt8</a>) </li><li><a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/7/17/israel-has-turned-gazas-summer-into-a-weapon">Israel has turned Gaza’s summer into a weapon</a> (<a href="https://zpr.io/YS4WK4hVQC5T">https://zpr.io/YS4WK4hVQC5T</a>)</li><li><a href="https://electronicintifada.net/content/physics-death-gaza/46081">The Physics of Death in Gaza</a> (<a href="https://zpr.io/hxsgxicVqPAd">https://zpr.io/hxsgxicVqPAd</a>) </li></ul>Signup for our newsletter!! It includes short essays, recommendations, and details about other ways to interact with the show. <a href="https://radiolab.org/newsletter">Sign up</a> (https://radiolab.org/newsletter)!Radiolab is supported by listeners like you. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of <a href="http://members.radiolab.org">The Lab</a> (https://members.radiolab.org/) today.Follow our show on <a href="http://instagram.com/radiolab">Instagram</a>, <a href="http://twitter.com/radiolab">Twitter</a> and <a href="http://facebook.com/radiolab">Facebook</a> @radiolab, and share your thoughts with us by emailing <a href="mailto:radiolab@wnyc.org">radiolab@wnyc.org</a>. Leadership support for Radiolab’s science programming is provided by the Simons Foundation and the John Templeton Foundation. Foundational support for Radiolab was provided by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation.

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