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#482 – Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature

Lex Fridman Podcast

Conversations about science, technology, history, philosophy and the nature of intelligence, consciousness, love, and power. Lex is an AI researcher at MIT and beyond.

Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.
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Transcript:
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CONTACT LEX:
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EPISODE LINKS:
Pavel's Telegram: https://t.me/durov
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Telegram: https://telegram.org/
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(02:46) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(11:29) - Philosophy of freedom
(14:37) - No alcohol
(22:42) - No phone
(28:38) - Discipline
(49:50) - Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics
(1:05:12) - Arrest in France
(1:21:23) - Romanian elections
(1:32:18) - Power and corruption
(1:41:50) - Intense education
(1:53:51) - Nikolai Durov
(1:58:19) - Programming and video games
(2:02:33) - VK origins & engineering
(2:19:46) - Hiring a great team
(2:29:02) - Telegram engineering & design
(2:48:04) - Encryption
(2:53:01) - Open source
(2:57:48) - Edward Snowden
(3:00:20) - Intelligence agencies
(3:01:32) - Iran and Russia government pressure
(3:04:41) - Apple
(3:11:38) - Poisoning
(3:43:53) - Money
(3:52:45) - TON
(4:02:35) - Bitcoin
(4:05:34) - Two chairs dilemma
(4:12:14) - Children
(4:23:24) - Father
(4:27:55) - Quantum immortality
(4:34:27) - Kafka

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