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Why We Fall for the Wrong Person with Couples Therapist Dr. Harville Hendrix

A Bit of Optimism

My career is an accident. It started when I set out to rediscover my passion and reignite a spark I’d lost — and that journey led me to the work I do now.

If you know me from my books or my speaking, you know I’m fascinated by why people do what they do. What makes someone find joy and meaning in their life, or pursue something far greater than themselves?

I started A Bit of Optimism to explore those ideas and expand my own perspective. This podcast is a trove of honest conversations, with people who challenge me, teach me, or simply help me see things in a different way. Some guests are household names, and others you may be meeting for the first time. But each one of them has something to share that can help all of us grow.

So if you’re looking for a spark — some insight, inspiration, or just a reminder that good things are possible — join me on A Bit of Optimism!

Let’s grow together.

Maybe this sounds familiar: you fall hard for someone, and over a year later you're fighting about the very things that drew you to them in the first place. And you can't figure out how the person who felt so right suddenly feels so wrong.

Dr. Harville Hendrix has spent 50 years studying love. And he’s also lived through its hardest challenges: one divorce, two near-misses in his current marriage, and a couple’s therapist who fired him and his wife, calling them "the couple from hell." That marriage is now 45 years strong.

Harville is a couples therapist, and alongside his wife and creative partner Dr. Helen LaKelly Hunt, they creator Imago Relationship Therapy. They’ve also written 10 books, including the bestseller Getting the Love You Want, the book that made him a fixture on Oprah for nearly two decades. Harville’s theory is this: we don't consciously choose who we fall for, rather our unconscious does. And it has an agenda.

In this episode you'll learn:
➡️ Why you keep falling for the same person
➡️ What your childhood has to do with who you swipe right on
➡️ Why the "power struggle" phase might mean you picked the right person
➡️ The shift that saved Harville's own marriage after divorce papers were filed
➡️ Why some of us can't receive love (even when we ask for it)
➡️ What arranged marriages understood about commitment that we forgot
➡️ The difference between equal relationships and egalitarian ones
➡️ How to reach the stage where you have no needs left… only wants

In this conversation, Harville makes the case that real romantic love is what gets built after the fantasy collapses, when two people commit to the work of meeting each other's needs instead of demanding their own. And the engine of that transformation goes beyond compatibility and chemistry—it's gratitude and service.

This… is A Bit of Optimism.

Want to keep up with Harville’s work? Check out: https://harvilleandhelen.com/

If you’d like to buy Harville & Helen’s latest book, How to Talk with Anyone about Anything, head to: https://harvilleandhelen.com/books/how-to-talk-with-anyone-about-anything/

Chapters
Chapters

00:00:00 Nature's Agenda: Why We Fall for the Wrong Person
00:02:02 From Sharecropper's Farm to Oprah: Harville's Unexpected Journey
00:06:07 The 30-Second Encounters That Changed Everything
00:10:17 We Almost Divorced Twice: The Couple From Hell
00:13:21 Child Consciousness vs Adult Consciousness: The Critical Shift
00:15:57 The Gratitude That Ends the Yearning
00:18:45 Why Both People Don't Need to Change at Once
00:20:28 The Unconscious Imago: Your Brain Picks Who You Fall For
00:26:34 The 18-Month Fantasy: When the Real Person Shows Up
00:30:40 Arranged Marriages vs Choice: The Paradox of Commitment
00:34:47 The No Exit Decision: Why You'll Want to Quit When It's Working
00:36:34 The Transparency Trap: Afraid of Losing What You Found
00:38:35 Receiving Love: The Dinner Story That Changes Everything
00:45:49 Equal vs Egalitarian: The Recipe for Partnership
00:47:23 Dating IRL: Why Technology Can't Replace Face-to-Face
00:50:54 When Needs Become Wants: Life After Gratitude

Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together.

Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do.

Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including Start With Why, Leaders Eat Last, Together is Better, and The Infinite Game.

Website: http://simonsinek.com/

Leaderful: https://simonsinek.com/leaderful

Podcast: http://apple.co/simonsinek

Instagram: https://instagram.com/simonsinek/

Linkedin: https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonsinek

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/simonsinek

Maybe this sounds familiar: you fall hard for someone, and over a year later you're fighting about the very things that drew you to them in the first place. And you can't figure out how the person who felt so right suddenly feels so wrong.
Dr. Harville Hendrix has spent 50 years studying love. And he’s also lived through its hardest challenges: one divorce, two near-misses in his current marriage, and a couple’s therapist who fired him and his wife, calling them "the couple from hell." That marriage is now 45 years strong.
Harville is a couples therapist, and alongside his wife and creative partner Dr. Helen LaKelly Hunt, they creator Imago Relationship Therapy. They’ve also written 10 books, including the bestseller Getting the Love You Want, the book that made him a fixture on Oprah for nearly two decades. Harville’s theory is this: we don't consciously choose who we fall for, rather our unconscious does. And it has an agenda.
In this episode you'll learn:
➡️ Why you keep falling for the same person
➡️ What your childhood has to do with who you swipe right on
➡️ Why the "power struggle" phase might mean you picked the right person
➡️ The shift that saved Harville's own marriage after divorce papers were filed
➡️ Why some of us can't receive love (even when we ask for it)
➡️ What arranged marriages understood about commitment that we forgot
➡️ The difference between equal relationships and egalitarian ones
➡️ How to reach the stage where you have no needs left… only wants
In this conversation, Harville makes the case that real romantic love is what gets built after the fantasy collapses, when two people commit to the work of meeting each other's needs instead of demanding their own. And the engine of that transformation goes beyond compatibility and chemistry—it's gratitude and service.
This… is A Bit of Optimism.

Want to keep up with Harville’s work? Check out: https://harvilleandhelen.com/
If you’d like to buy Harville & Helen’s latest book, How to Talk with Anyone about Anything, head to: https://harvilleandhelen.com/books/how-to-talk-with-anyone-about-anything/

Chapters
Chapters

00:00:00 Nature's Agenda: Why We Fall for the Wrong Person
00:02:02 From Sharecropper's Farm to Oprah: Harville's Unexpected Journey
00:06:07 The 30-Second Encounters That Changed Everything
00:10:17 We Almost Divorced Twice: The Couple From Hell
00:13:21 Child Consciousness vs Adult Consciousness: The Critical Shift
00:15:57 The Gratitude That Ends the Yearning
00:18:45 Why Both People Don't Need to Change at Once
00:20:28 The Unconscious Imago: Your Brain Picks Who You Fall For
00:26:34 The 18-Month Fantasy: When the Real Person Shows Up
00:30:40 Arranged Marriages vs Choice: The Paradox of Commitment
00:34:47 The No Exit Decision: Why You'll Want to Quit When It's Working
00:36:34 The Transparency Trap: Afraid of Losing What You Found
00:38:35 Receiving Love: The Dinner Story That Changes Everything
00:45:49 Equal vs Egalitarian: The Recipe for Partnership
00:47:23 Dating IRL: Why Technology Can't Replace Face-to-Face
00:50:54 When Needs Become Wants: Life After Gratitude

Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together.
Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do.
Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including Start With Why, Leaders Eat Last, Together is Better, and The Infinite Game.

Website: http://simonsinek.com/
Leaderful: https://simonsinek.com/leaderful
Podcast: http://apple.co/simonsinek
Instagram: https://instagram.com/simonsinek/
Linkedin: https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonsinek
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/simonsinek

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