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Remembering Bob Chapman: The Mentor Who Changed My Life

A Bit of Optimism

My career is an accident. It started when I set out to rediscover my passion and reignite a spark I’d lost — and that journey led me to the work I do now.

If you know me from my books or my speaking, you know I’m fascinated by why people do what they do. What makes someone find joy and meaning in their life, or pursue something far greater than themselves?

I started A Bit of Optimism to explore those ideas and expand my own perspective. This podcast is a trove of honest conversations, with people who challenge me, teach me, or simply help me see things in a different way. Some guests are household names, and others you may be meeting for the first time. But each one of them has something to share that can help all of us grow.

So if you’re looking for a spark — some insight, inspiration, or just a reminder that good things are possible — join me on A Bit of Optimism!

Let’s grow together.

Sixteen years ago, an unknown CEO running a manufacturing company in the Midwest saw my TED Talk and recognized something in it. He sent me a letter and we made plans to meet. What started as a one-hour lunch turned into three, then four days touring factories together across the Midwest, and an idea I had only imagined turned out to already exist in reality.

That CEO was Bob Chapman. Over five decades, Bob grew an unassuming manufacturing company in the Midwest into a global proof point that leadership grounded in humanity can scale and outperform. Bob saw the people in his company as human beings in his care, people he felt responsible to help become healthy, fulfilled, and whole. His belief was simple and profound: when people are cared for at work, they build happier families, stronger communities, and a better world. He called it Truly Human Leadership. 

In the years that followed, Bob became something more: a mentor, a close friend, the central figure in my book Leaders Eat Last, and one of the people who shaped how I think about leadership itself.

In September 2025, I returned to one of Bob's factories in Phillips, Wisconsin, with a camera crew, to capture Bob's incredible legacy in his own words. Six months later, Bob passed away.

As a tribute to this great man, we're releasing the full conversation, in its entirety, for the first time.

In this episode you'll learn:
 ➡️ Why Bob believed in seeing every person as someone’s precious child

 ➡️ How Barry-Wehmiller rewrote the rules and
 ➡️ The university Bob built to teach his employees skills they were never taught
 ➡️ What impact a caring workplace can have on an employees life
 ➡️ The real difference between a prosperous company and a healthy one
 ➡️ Why Bob believed layoffs meant your business has failed
 ➡️ Why the greatest act of charity has nothing to do with the checks you write
 ➡️ What changed in Bob over the fifteen years Simon knew him
 ➡️ The letter Simon sent Bob years ago that ended up framed on his office wall

As Bob said, "You can retire from a job, but you can't retire from a calling." He never did. This conversation is a chance to hear why, in his own words.

This… is A Bit of Optimism.

To buy Bob’s book, Everybody Matters, head to: https://simonsinek.com/optimism-press/everybody-matters 

To read about Bob in my book, Leaders Eat Last, head to: https://simonsinek.com/books/leaders-eat-last 

Chapters
Chapters

00:00:00 The Letter That Changed Everything: Meeting Bob Chapman
00:05:23 Bob's Revelation: Seeing People as Somebody's Precious Child
00:08:05 Building a University to Teach Caring: The Three Transformative Classes
00:09:32 The Healing Power of Listening: Why 95% of Feedback Was About Marriage and Kids
00:16:42 Recognition Done Right: Catching People Doing Good 
00:20:55 The 2008 Recession Test: Shared Sacrifice Over Layoffs
00:23:07 "Layoffs Means Your Business Has Failed"
00:26:02 You Don't Need to Justify Caring: Safety of the Soul
00:27:53 12% Compound Growth for 25 Years: The Business Case for Humanity
00:29:53 "Our Product Is Our People"
00:34:55 From Selfish to Servant: Simon's Challenge That Sparked a Movement
00:36:26 People's Universal Truth: They Want to Know They Matter
00:38:00 Bob Has Gotten Softer: The Personal Evolution of a Leader
00:40:00 You Cannot Retire From a Calling: Carrying a Message That Heals
00:43:10 Heart Counts, Not Head Counts: The Language of Humanization
00:46:01 The Greatest Act of Charity: How You Treat People You Lead
00:49:38 The Promise: Carrying the Torch for Generations to Come

Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together.

Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do.

Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including Start With Why, Leaders Eat Last, Together is Better, and The Infinite Game.

Website: http://simonsinek.com/

Leaderful: https://simonsinek.com/leaderful 

Podcast: http://apple.co/simonsinek

Instagram: https://instagram.com/simonsinek/

Linkedin: https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonsinek

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/simonsinek

Sixteen years ago, an unknown CEO running a manufacturing company in the Midwest saw my TED Talk and recognized something in it. He sent me a letter and we made plans to meet. What started as a one-hour lunch turned into three, then four days touring factories together across the Midwest, and an idea I had only imagined turned out to already exist in reality.
That CEO was Bob Chapman. Over five decades, Bob grew an unassuming manufacturing company in the Midwest into a global proof point that leadership grounded in humanity can scale and outperform. Bob saw the people in his company as human beings in his care, people he felt responsible to help become healthy, fulfilled, and whole. His belief was simple and profound: when people are cared for at work, they build happier families, stronger communities, and a better world. He called it Truly Human Leadership. 
In the years that followed, Bob became something more: a mentor, a close friend, the central figure in my book Leaders Eat Last, and one of the people who shaped how I think about leadership itself.
In September 2025, I returned to one of Bob's factories in Phillips, Wisconsin, with a camera crew, to capture Bob's incredible legacy in his own words. Six months later, Bob passed away.
As a tribute to this great man, we're releasing the full conversation, in its entirety, for the first time.
In this episode you'll learn:
➡️ Why Bob believed in seeing every person as someone’s precious child
➡️ How Barry-Wehmiller rewrote the rules and
➡️ The university Bob built to teach his employees skills they were never taught
➡️ What impact a caring workplace can have on an employees life
➡️ The real difference between a prosperous company and a healthy one
➡️ Why Bob believed layoffs meant your business has failed
➡️ Why the greatest act of charity has nothing to do with the checks you write
➡️ What changed in Bob over the fifteen years Simon knew him
➡️ The letter Simon sent Bob years ago that ended up framed on his office wall
As Bob said, "You can retire from a job, but you can't retire from a calling." He never did. This conversation is a chance to hear why, in his own words.
This… is A Bit of Optimism.

To buy Bob’s book, Everybody Matters, head to: https://simonsinek.com/optimism-press/everybody-matters 
To read about Bob in my book, Leaders Eat Last, head to: https://simonsinek.com/books/leaders-eat-last 

Chapters
Chapters

00:00:00 The Letter That Changed Everything: Meeting Bob Chapman
00:05:23 Bob's Revelation: Seeing People as Somebody's Precious Child
00:08:05 Building a University to Teach Caring: The Three Transformative Classes
00:09:32 The Healing Power of Listening: Why 95% of Feedback Was About Marriage and Kids
00:16:42 Recognition Done Right: Catching People Doing Good 
00:20:55 The 2008 Recession Test: Shared Sacrifice Over Layoffs
00:23:07 "Layoffs Means Your Business Has Failed"
00:26:02 You Don't Need to Justify Caring: Safety of the Soul
00:27:53 12% Compound Growth for 25 Years: The Business Case for Humanity
00:29:53 "Our Product Is Our People"
00:34:55 From Selfish to Servant: Simon's Challenge That Sparked a Movement
00:36:26 People's Universal Truth: They Want to Know They Matter
00:38:00 Bob Has Gotten Softer: The Personal Evolution of a Leader
00:40:00 You Cannot Retire From a Calling: Carrying a Message That Heals
00:43:10 Heart Counts, Not Head Counts: The Language of Humanization
00:46:01 The Greatest Act of Charity: How You Treat People You Lead
00:49:38 The Promise: Carrying the Torch for Generations to Come

Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together.
Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do.
Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including Start With Why, Leaders Eat Last, Together is Better, and The Infinite Game.

Website: http://simonsinek.com/
Leaderful: https://simonsinek.com/leaderful 
Podcast: http://apple.co/simonsinek
Instagram: https://instagram.com/simonsinek/
Linkedin: https://linkedin.com/in/simonsinek/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/simonsinek
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/simonsinek

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