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How to Tell If Fear Is Protecting You or Holding You Back with Extreme Athlete Nelly Attar

A Bit of Optimism

My career is an accident. It started when I set out to rediscover my passion and reignite a spark I’d lost — and that journey led me to the work I do now.

If you know me from my books or my speaking, you know I’m fascinated by why people do what they do. What makes someone find joy and meaning in their life, or pursue something far greater than themselves?

I started A Bit of Optimism to explore those ideas and expand my own perspective. This podcast is a trove of honest conversations, with people who challenge me, teach me, or simply help me see things in a different way. Some guests are household names, and others you may be meeting for the first time. But each one of them has something to share that can help all of us grow.

So if you’re looking for a spark — some insight, inspiration, or just a reminder that good things are possible — join me on A Bit of Optimism!

Let’s grow together.

We tell ourselves the reason we never chase the big dream is that we're not ready, not brave enough, doomed to fail.

Nelly Attar would tell you she felt all of that too… but she chased them anyway.

Nelly is a psychologist turned extreme athlete and mountaineer. She built Saudi Arabia's first dance studio, MOVE, at a time when women couldn't train publicly by sneaking classes into a warehouse and office building after hours. She's the first Lebanese person to climb the five highest peaks in the world, like Everest. And she also became the first Arab to summit K2, the world’s second highest peak that’s so dangerous that one in four people who attempt it survive.

But what makes Nelly remarkable aren’t the summits and heights she reaches. It's that she's found a way to turn individual acts of accomplishment into acts of service: for the women she shows what's possible and for the team that climbs beside her.

In this episode you'll learn:
➡️ The difference between fear that protects you and fear that holds you back
➡️ How preparing and working hard can lighten the load for others
➡️ What small, daily kindness practices become the best investment you can make
➡️ Why there's no such thing as "self-made" and what actually de-risks courage
➡️ The art of “strategic retreat” + why quitting and retreating aren't the same thing
➡️ Why your title and achievements aren’t your identity (and what is)
➡️ How movement is medicine, and why the mind leads the body
➡️ What it really means to live a life of service to the people right in front of you

In this conversation, Nelly shows that the size of what you accomplish matters far less than the spirit you bring to it. She faces her fear for herself, but she does the hard work for everyone else. 

This… is A Bit of Optimism.

Want to keep up with Nelly’s adventures? Check out: https://www.nellyattar.com/ 

Chapters
Chapters

00:00:00 If You Don't Try, You'll Never Know: Nellie's Philosophy on Fear
00:02:20 Building Saudi Arabia's First Dance Studio
00:07:45 The Real Risk Worth Taking: Purpose Over Fear
00:12:07 The Support System Behind Every Bold Move
00:14:11 From Dance Floor to Everest: Training in the Desert for Sub-Zero Summits
00:20:13 Climbing for Others: The Service Mindset on the Mountain
00:21:19 Preparing So You Don't Burden Your Team
00:26:11 The Practice of Kindness: Small Acts That Change Everything
00:33:02 Leading Hikes to Help Others Climb Their Mountains
00:36:17 K2: Climbing Through Grief After Losing Her Father
00:39:24 One in Four Don't Come Back: The Reality of K2
00:41:00 Strategic Retreat: Knowing When to Turn Around
00:43:59 The Infinite Mindset: You Are Not Your Accomplishments
00:45:44 Creating Safe Spaces for Others to Discover Their Boundaries
00:48:39 Fear That Protects vs Fear That Holds You Back

Simon is an unshakable optimist. He believes in a bright future and our ability to build it together.

Described as “a visionary thinker with a rare intellect,” Simon has devoted his professional life to help advance a vision of the world that does not yet exist; a world in which the vast majority of people wake up every single morning inspired, feel safe wherever they are and end the day fulfilled by the work that they do.

Simon is the author of multiple best-selling books including Start With Why, Leaders Eat Last, Together is Better, and The Infinite Game.

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