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#479 – Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

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Conversations about science, technology, history, philosophy and the nature of intelligence, consciousness, love, and power. Lex is an AI researcher at MIT and beyond.

Dave Plummer is a programmer, former Microsoft software engineer (Windows 95, NT, XP), creator of Task Manager, author of two books on autism, and host of the Dave's Garage YouTube channel, where he shares stories from his career, insights on software development, and deep dives into technology.
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EPISODE LINKS:
Dave's X: https://x.com/davepl1968
Dave's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavesGarage
Dave's Secondary YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@davepl
Dave's GitHub: https://github.com/PlummersSoftwareLLC
Dave's Books: https://amzn.to/41qd5IB

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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(01:14) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(10:16) - First computer
(15:54) - Dropping out of high-school
(23:35) - Joining Microsoft
(25:47) - MS-DOS
(28:59) - Windows 95
(35:46) - The man behind Windows
(40:42) - Debugging
(45:59) - Task Manager
(51:08) - 3D Pinball: Space Cadet
(56:07) - Start menu and taskbar
(1:07:06) - Blue Screen of Death
(1:09:15) - Best programmers
(1:17:16) - Scariest time of Dave's life
(1:24:44) - Best Windows version
(1:26:34) - Slot machines
(1:30:17) - Autism and ADHD
(1:49:37) - Fastest programming language
(1:53:42) - Future of programming

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Dave Plummer is a programmer, former Microsoft software engineer (Windows 95, NT, XP), creator of Task Manager, author of two books on autism, and host of the Dave’s Garage YouTube channel, where he shares stories from his career, insights on software development, and deep dives into technology. 
Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep479-sc">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep479-sc</a> 
See below for timestamps, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.
CONTACT LEX: 
Feedback – give feedback to Lex: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/survey">https://lexfridman.com/survey</a> 
AMA – submit questions, videos or call-in: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/ama">https://lexfridman.com/ama</a> 
Hiring – join our team: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/hiring">https://lexfridman.com/hiring</a> 
Other – other ways to get in touch: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/contact">https://lexfridman.com/contact</a>
EPISODE LINKS: 
Dave’s X: <a href="https://x.com/davepl1968">https://x.com/davepl1968</a> 
Dave’s YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@DavesGarage">https://www.youtube.com/@DavesGarage</a> 
Dave’s Secondary YouTube Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@davepl">https://www.youtube.com/@davepl</a> 
Dave’s GitHub: <a href="https://github.com/PlummersSoftwareLLC">https://github.com/PlummersSoftwareLLC</a> 
Dave’s Books: <a href="https://amzn.to/41qd5IB">https://amzn.to/41qd5IB</a>
SPONSORS: 
To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: 
UPLIFT Desk: Standing desks and office ergonomics. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/uplift_desk-ep479-sc">https://upliftdesk.com/lex</a> 
ZocDoc: App that helps patients find healthcare providers. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/zocdoc-ep479-sc">https://zocdoc.com/lex</a> 
Fin: AI agent for customer service. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/fin-ep479-sc">https://fin.ai/lex</a> 
Allio Capital: AI-powered investment app that uses global macroeconomic trends. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/allio_capital-ep479-sc">https://alliocapital.com/</a> 
Shopify: Sell stuff online. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep479-sc">https://shopify.com/lex</a>
OUTLINE: 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(01:14) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections 
(10:16) – First computer 
(15:54) – Dropping out of high-school 
(23:35) – Joining Microsoft 
(25:47) – MS-DOS 
(28:59) – Windows 95 
(35:46) – The man behind Windows 
(40:42) – Debugging 
(45:59) – Task Manager 
(51:08) – 3D Pinball: Space Cadet 
(56:07) – Start menu and taskbar 
(1:07:06) – Blue Screen of Death 
(1:09:15) – Best programmers 
(1:17:16) – Scariest time of Dave’s life 
(1:24:44) – Best Windows version 
(1:26:34) – Slot machines 
(1:30:17) – Autism and ADHD 
(1:49:37) – Fastest programming language 
(1:53:42) – Future of programming
PODCAST LINKS: 
– Podcast Website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
– Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
– Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
– RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
– Podcast Playlist: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4">https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4</a> 
– Clips Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/lexclips">https://www.youtube.com/lexclips</a>

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