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#477 – Keyu Jin: China’s Economy, Tariffs, Trade, Trump, Communism & Capitalism

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Keyu Jin is an economist specializing in China's economy, international macroeconomics, global trade imbalances, and financial policy. She is the author of The New China Playbook: Beyond Socialism and Capitalism.
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Keyu's Website: https://keyujin.com/
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:35) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:26) - Misconceptions about China
(12:57) - Education in China
(22:14) - Economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping
(27:33) - Mayor economy and GDP growth race
(41:20) - Growing up in China
(46:58) - First time in the US
(51:12) - China's government vs business sector
(54:46) - Communism and capitalism
(58:25) - Jack Ma
(1:04:37) - China's view on innovation and copying ideas
(1:11:15) - DeepSeek moment
(1:15:09) - CHIPS Act
(1:16:56) - Tariffs and Trade
(1:29:21) - Immigration
(1:34:08) - Taiwan
(1:39:54) - One-child policy
(1:47:51) - China's economy collapse predictions
(1:52:34) - Advice for visiting China

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Keyu Jin is an economist specializing in China’s economy, international macroeconomics, global trade imbalances, and financial policy. She is the author of The New China Playbook: Beyond Socialism and Capitalism. 
Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep477-sc">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep477-sc</a> 
See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.
Transcript: 
<a href="https://lexfridman.com/keyu-jin-transcript">https://lexfridman.com/keyu-jin-transcript</a>
CONTACT LEX: 
Feedback – give feedback to Lex: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/survey">https://lexfridman.com/survey</a> 
AMA – submit questions, videos or call-in: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/ama">https://lexfridman.com/ama</a> 
Hiring – join our team: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/hiring">https://lexfridman.com/hiring</a> 
Other – other ways to get in touch: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/contact">https://lexfridman.com/contact</a>
EPISODE LINKS: 
Keyu’s X: <a href="https://x.com/KeyuJin">https://x.com/KeyuJin</a> 
Keyu’s Website: <a href="https://keyujin.com/">https://keyujin.com/</a> 
The New China Playbook (Book): <a href="https://amzn.to/4lpgmyK">https://amzn.to/4lpgmyK</a>
SPONSORS: 
To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: 
Allio Capital: AI-powered investment app that uses global macroeconomic trends. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/allio_capital-ep477-sc">https://alliocapital.com/</a> 
UPLIFT Desk: Standing desks and office ergonomics. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/uplift_desk-ep477-sc">https://upliftdesk.com/lex</a> 
Hampton: Community for high-growth founders and CEOs. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/hampton-ep477-sc">https://joinhampton.com/lex</a> 
Lindy: No-code AI agent builder. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/lindy-ep477-sc">https://go.lindy.ai/lex</a> 
LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep477-sc">https://drinkLMNT.com/lex</a>
OUTLINE: 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(00:35) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections 
(08:26) – Misconceptions about China 
(12:57) – Education in China 
(22:14) – Economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping 
(27:33) – Mayor economy and GDP growth race 
(41:20) – Growing up in China 
(46:58) – First time in the US 
(51:12) – China’s government vs business sector 
(54:46) – Communism and capitalism 
(58:25) – Jack Ma 
(1:04:37) – China’s view on innovation and copying ideas 
(1:11:15) – DeepSeek moment 
(1:15:09) – CHIPS Act 
(1:16:56) – Tariffs and Trade 
(1:29:21) – Immigration 
(1:34:08) – Taiwan 
(1:39:54) – One-child policy 
(1:47:51) – China’s economy collapse predictions 
(1:52:34) – Advice for visiting China
PODCAST LINKS: 
– Podcast Website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
– Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
– Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
– RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
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– Clips Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/lexclips">https://www.youtube.com/lexclips</a>

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