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#475 – Demis Hassabis: Future of AI, Simulating Reality, Physics and Video Games

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Demis Hassabis is the CEO of Google DeepMind and Nobel Prize winner for his groundbreaking work in protein structure prediction using AI.
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DeepMind's Website: https://deepmind.google/
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OUTLINE:
(00:00) - Introduction
(00:29) - Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
(08:40) - Learnable patterns in nature
(12:22) - Computation and P vs NP
(21:00) - Veo 3 and understanding reality
(25:24) - Video games
(37:26) - AlphaEvolve
(43:27) - AI research
(47:51) - Simulating a biological organism
(52:34) - Origin of life
(58:49) - Path to AGI
(1:09:35) - Scaling laws
(1:12:51) - Compute
(1:15:38) - Future of energy
(1:19:34) - Human nature
(1:24:28) - Google and the race to AGI
(1:42:27) - Competition and AI talent
(1:49:01) - Future of programming
(1:55:27) - John von Neumann
(2:04:41) - p(doom)
(2:09:24) - Humanity
(2:12:30) - Consciousness and quantum computation
(2:18:40) - David Foster Wallace
(2:25:54) - Education and research

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Demis Hassabis is the CEO of Google DeepMind and Nobel Prize winner for his groundbreaking work in protein structure prediction using AI. 
Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep475-sc">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep475-sc</a> 
See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.
Transcript: 
<a href="https://lexfridman.com/demis-hassabis-2-transcript">https://lexfridman.com/demis-hassabis-2-transcript</a>
CONTACT LEX: 
Feedback – give feedback to Lex: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/survey">https://lexfridman.com/survey</a> 
AMA – submit questions, videos or call-in: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/ama">https://lexfridman.com/ama</a> 
Hiring – join our team: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/hiring">https://lexfridman.com/hiring</a> 
Other – other ways to get in touch: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/contact">https://lexfridman.com/contact</a>
EPISODE LINKS: 
Demis’s X: <a href="https://x.com/demishassabis">https://x.com/demishassabis</a> 
DeepMind’s X: <a href="https://x.com/GoogleDeepMind">https://x.com/GoogleDeepMind</a> 
DeepMind’s Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/GoogleDeepMind">https://instagram.com/GoogleDeepMind</a> 
DeepMind’s Website: <a href="https://deepmind.google/">https://deepmind.google/</a> 
Gemini’s Website: <a href="https://gemini.google.com/">https://gemini.google.com/</a> 
Isomorphic Labs: <a href="https://isomorphiclabs.com/">https://isomorphiclabs.com/</a> 
The MANIAC (book): <a href="https://amzn.to/4lOXJ81">https://amzn.to/4lOXJ81</a> 
Life Ascending (book): <a href="https://amzn.to/3AhUP7z">https://amzn.to/3AhUP7z</a>
SPONSORS: 
To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: 
Hampton: Community for high-growth founders and CEOs. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/hampton-ep475-sc">https://joinhampton.com/lex</a> 
Fin: AI agent for customer service. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/fin-ep475-sc">https://fin.ai/lex</a> 
Shopify: Sell stuff online. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep475-sc">https://shopify.com/lex</a> 
LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep475-sc">https://drinkLMNT.com/lex</a> 
AG1: All-in-one daily nutrition drink. 
Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/ag1-ep475-sc">https://drinkag1.com/lex</a>
OUTLINE: 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(00:29) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections 
(08:40) – Learnable patterns in nature 
(12:22) – Computation and P vs NP 
(21:00) – Veo 3 and understanding reality 
(25:24) – Video games 
(37:26) – AlphaEvolve 
(43:27) – AI research 
(47:51) – Simulating a biological organism 
(52:34) – Origin of life 
(58:49) – Path to AGI 
(1:09:35) – Scaling laws 
(1:12:51) – Compute 
(1:15:38) – Future of energy 
(1:19:34) – Human nature 
(1:24:28) – Google and the race to AGI 
(1:42:27) – Competition and AI talent 
(1:49:01) – Future of programming 
(1:55:27) – John von Neumann 
(2:04:41) – p(doom) 
(2:09:24) – Humanity 
(2:12:30) – Consciousness and quantum computation 
(2:18:40) – David Foster Wallace 
(2:25:54) – Education and research
PODCAST LINKS: 
– Podcast Website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
– Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
– Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
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– Clips Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/lexclips">https://www.youtube.com/lexclips</a>

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