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#344 – Noam Brown: AI vs Humans in Poker and Games of Strategic Negotiation

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Noam Brown is a research scientist at FAIR, Meta AI, co-creator of AI that achieved superhuman level performance in games of No-Limit Texas Hold'em and Diplomacy. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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Noam's papers:
Superhuman AI for multiplayer poker: https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10119653
Superhuman AI for heads-up no-limit poker: https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10077416
Human-level play in the game of Diplomacy: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade9097

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OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(05:37) - No Limit Texas Hold 'em
(09:30) - Solving poker
(22:40) - Poker vs Chess
(29:18) - AI playing poker
(1:02:46) - Heads-up vs Multi-way poker
(1:13:37) - Greatest poker player of all time
(1:17:10) - Diplomacy game
(1:27:01) - AI negotiating with humans
(2:09:26) - AI in geopolitics
(2:14:11) - Human-like AI for games
(2:20:12) - Ethics of AI
(2:24:26) - AGI
(2:28:25) - Advice to beginners

Noam Brown is a research scientist at FAIR, Meta AI, co-creator of AI that achieved superhuman level performance in games of No-Limit Texas Hold’em and Diplomacy. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– True Classic Tees: <a href="https://trueclassictees.com/lex">https://trueclassictees.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get 25% off 
– Audible: <a href="https://audible.com/lex">https://audible.com/lex</a> to get 30-day free trial 
– InsideTracker: <a href="https://insidetracker.com/lex">https://insidetracker.com/lex</a> to get 20% off 
– ExpressVPN: <a href="https://expressvpn.com/lexpod">https://expressvpn.com/lexpod</a> to get 3 months free
EPISODE LINKS: 
Noam’s Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/polynoamial">https://twitter.com/polynoamial</a> 
Noam’s LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/noam-brown-8b785b62/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/noam-brown-8b785b62/</a> 
webDiplomacy: <a href="https://webdiplomacy.net/">https://webdiplomacy.net/</a> 
Noam’s papers: 
Superhuman AI for multiplayer poker: <a href="https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10119653">https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10119653</a> 
Superhuman AI for heads-up no-limit poker: <a href="https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10077416">https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10077416</a> 
Human-level play in the game of Diplomacy: <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade9097">https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade9097</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
– LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a> 
– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(05:37) – No Limit Texas Hold ’em 
(09:30) – Solving poker 
(22:40) – Poker vs Chess 
(29:18) – AI playing poker 
(1:02:46) – Heads-up vs Multi-way poker 
(1:13:37) – Greatest poker player of all time 
(1:17:10) – Diplomacy game 
(1:27:01) – AI negotiating with humans 
(2:09:26) – AI in geopolitics 
(2:14:11) – Human-like AI for games 
(2:20:12) – Ethics of AI 
(2:24:26) – AGI 
(2:28:25) – Advice to beginners

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