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#266 – Nicole Perlroth: Cybersecurity and the Weapons of Cyberwar

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Nicole Perlroth is a cybersecurity journalist and author. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
Nicole's Twitter: https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth
Nicole's Website: https://nytimes.com/by/nicole-perlroth
Nicole's Book: https://amzn.to/3sOQjrs

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SUPPORT & CONNECT:
- Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast
- Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman
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- Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman

OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(06:54) - Zero-day vulnerability
(12:55) - History of hackers
(27:47) - Interviewing hackers
(31:49) - Ransomware attack
(44:33) - Cyberwar
(57:41) - Cybersecurity
(1:06:48) - Social engineering
(1:23:41) - Snowden and whistleblowers
(1:33:11) - NSA
(1:42:58) - Fear for cyberattacks
(1:50:29) - Self-censorship
(1:54:50) - Advice for young people
(2:00:07) - Hope for the future

Nicole Perlroth is a cybersecurity journalist and author. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– Linode: <a href="https://linode.com/lex">https://linode.com/lex</a> to get $100 free credit 
– InsideTracker: <a href="https://insidetracker.com/lex">https://insidetracker.com/lex</a> and use code Lex25 to get 25% off 
– Onnit: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/onnit">https://lexfridman.com/onnit</a> to get up to 10% off 
– ROKA: <a href="https://roka.com/">https://roka.com/</a> and use code LEX to get 20% off your first order 
– Indeed: <a href="https://indeed.com/lex">https://indeed.com/lex</a> to get $75 credit
EPISODE LINKS: 
Nicole’s Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth">https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth</a> 
Nicole’s Website: <a href="https://nytimes.com/by/nicole-perlroth">https://nytimes.com/by/nicole-perlroth</a> 
Nicole’s Book: <a href="https://amzn.to/3sOQjrs">https://amzn.to/3sOQjrs</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MAi0BvDc6GTFvKFPXnkCL">https://open.spotify.com/show/2MAi0BvDc6GTFvKFPXnkCL</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
– LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a> 
– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(06:54) – Zero-day vulnerability 
(12:55) – History of hackers 
(27:47) – Interviewing hackers 
(31:49) – Ransomware attack 
(44:33) – Cyberwar 
(57:41) – Cybersecurity 
(1:06:48) – Social engineering 
(1:23:41) – Snowden and whistleblowers 
(1:33:11) – NSA 
(1:42:58) – Fear for cyberattacks 
(1:50:29) – Self-censorship 
(1:54:50) – Advice for young people 
(2:00:07) – Hope for the future

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