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#248 – Norman Naimark: Genocide, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Absolute Power

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Norman Naimark is a historian at Stanford, specializing in the history of genocide. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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Norman's Website: https://history.stanford.edu/people/norman-naimark
Stalin's Genocides (book): https://amzn.to/3oO0Hzb
Stalin and the Fate of Europe (book): https://amzn.to/3pLbWrk
Books & resources mentioned:
The Origins of Totalitarianism (book): https://amzn.to/3oNDSvA
Man's Search for Meaning (book): https://amzn.to/3pMzs7d
Radio Majdanek (Research Paper): https://bit.ly/3GxPEAb

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OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(07:08) - Stalin and absolute power
(21:05) - Dictators and genocide
(45:31) - What is genocide
(55:38) - Human nature and suffering
(1:25:23) - Mao's Great Leap Forward
(1:32:37) - North Korea
(1:36:30) - Our role in fighting against atrocities
(1:45:26) - China
(1:49:35) - Hopes for the future and technology
(2:04:28) - Advice for young people
(2:07:15) - Love and tragedy

Norman Naimark is a historian at Stanford, specializing in the history of genocide. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– Coinbase: <a href="https://coinbase.com/lex">https://coinbase.com/lex</a> to get $5 in free Bitcoin 
– Quip: <a href="https://getquip.com/lex">https://getquip.com/lex</a> to get first refill free 
– Eight Sleep: <a href="https://www.eightsleep.com/lex">https://www.eightsleep.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get special savings 
– NetSuite: <a href="http://netsuite.com/lex">http://netsuite.com/lex</a> to get free product tour 
– ExpressVPN: <a href="https://expressvpn.com/lexpod">https://expressvpn.com/lexpod</a> and use code LexPod to get 3 months free
EPISODE LINKS: 
Norman’s Website: <a href="https://history.stanford.edu/people/norman-naimark">https://history.stanford.edu/people/norman-naimark</a> 
Stalin’s Genocides (book): <a href="https://amzn.to/3oO0Hzb">https://amzn.to/3oO0Hzb</a> 
Stalin and the Fate of Europe (book): <a href="https://amzn.to/3pLbWrk">https://amzn.to/3pLbWrk</a> 
Books & resources mentioned: 
The Origins of Totalitarianism (book): <a href="https://amzn.to/3oNDSvA">https://amzn.to/3oNDSvA</a> 
Man’s Search for Meaning (book): <a href="https://amzn.to/3pMzs7d">https://amzn.to/3pMzs7d</a> 
Radio Majdanek (Research Paper): <a href="https://bit.ly/3GxPEAb">https://bit.ly/3GxPEAb</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
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– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(07:08) – Stalin and absolute power 
(21:05) – Dictators and genocide 
(45:31) – What is genocide 
(55:38) – Human nature and suffering 
(1:25:23) – Mao’s Great Leap Forward 
(1:32:37) – North Korea 
(1:36:30) – Our role in fighting against atrocities 
(1:45:26) – China 
(1:49:35) – Hopes for the future and technology 
(2:04:28) – Advice for young people 
(2:07:15) – Love and tragedy

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