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#247 – Jamie Metzl: Lab Leak Theory

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Jamie Metzl is an author specializing in topics of genetic engineering, biotechnology, and geopolitics. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
Jamie's Twitter: https://twitter.com/JamieMetzl
Jamie's Website: https://jamiemetzl.com/
Jamie's lab leak blog post: https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/
Hacking Darwin (book): https://amzn.to/3lLqLsM

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SUPPORT & CONNECT:
- Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast
- Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman
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OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(07:44) - Lab leak
(1:06:18) - Gain-of-function research
(1:15:49) - Anthony Fauci
(1:25:31) - Francis Collins
(1:30:13) - Joe Rogan, Brett Weinstein, and Sam Harris
(2:00:10) - Xi Jinping
(2:14:41) - Patient Zero
(2:27:55) - WHO
(2:51:45) - Government transparency
(3:13:45) - Likelihood of a cover-up
(3:15:34) - Future of reproduction
(3:51:12) - Jon Stewart
(3:56:31) - Joe Rogan and Sanjay Gupta
(4:21:36) - Ultramarathons
(4:31:38) - Chocolate
(4:39:51) - One Shared World
(4:54:54) - Hope for the future

Jamie Metzl is an author specializing in topics of genetic engineering, biotechnology, and geopolitics. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– Mizzen+Main: <a href="https://mizzenandmain.com">https://mizzenandmain.com</a> and use code LEX to get $35 off 
– NI: <a href="https://www.ni.com/perspectives">https://www.ni.com/perspectives</a> 
– GiveDirectly: <a href="https://givedirectly.org/lex">https://givedirectly.org/lex</a> to get gift matched up to $300 
– Indeed: <a href="https://indeed.com/lex">https://indeed.com/lex</a> to get $75 credit 
– Blinkist: <a href="https://blinkist.com/lex">https://blinkist.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get 25% off premium
EPISODE LINKS: 
Jamie’s Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/JamieMetzl">https://twitter.com/JamieMetzl</a> 
Jamie’s Website: <a href="https://jamiemetzl.com/">https://jamiemetzl.com/</a> 
Jamie’s lab leak blog post: <a href="https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/">https://jamiemetzl.com/origins-of-sars-cov-2/</a> 
Hacking Darwin (book): <a href="https://amzn.to/3lLqLsM">https://amzn.to/3lLqLsM</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MAi0BvDc6GTFvKFPXnkCL">https://open.spotify.com/show/2MAi0BvDc6GTFvKFPXnkCL</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
– LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a> 
– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(07:44) – Lab leak 
(1:06:18) – Gain-of-function research 
(1:15:49) – Anthony Fauci 
(1:25:31) – Francis Collins 
(1:30:13) – Joe Rogan, Brett Weinstein, and Sam Harris 
(2:00:10) – Xi Jinping 
(2:14:41) – Patient Zero 
(2:27:55) – WHO 
(2:51:45) – Government transparency 
(3:13:45) – Likelihood of a cover-up 
(3:15:34) – Future of reproduction 
(3:51:12) – Jon Stewart 
(3:56:31) – Joe Rogan and Sanjay Gupta 
(4:21:36) – Ultramarathons 
(4:31:38) – Chocolate 
(4:39:51) – One Shared World 
(4:54:54) – Hope for the future

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