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#220 – Niels Jorgensen: New York Firefighters and the Heroes of 9/11

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Conversations about science, technology, history, philosophy and the nature of intelligence, consciousness, love, and power. Lex is an AI researcher at MIT and beyond.

Niels Jorgensen is a former New York firefighter for over 21 years, who was there at Ground Zero on September 11th, 2001. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
- ROKA: https://roka.com/ and use code LEX to get 20% off your first order
- MUD\WTR: https://mudwtr.com/lex and use code LEX to get 5% off
- Magic Spoon: https://magicspoon.com/lex and use code LEX to get $5 off
- Blinkist: https://blinkist.com/lex and use code LEX to get 25% off premium

EPISODE LINKS:
Niels's 20 for 20 Podcast: https://ironlightlabs.org/20-for-20/

PODCAST INFO:
Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast
Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8
RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/
YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman
YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips

SUPPORT & CONNECT:
- Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast
- Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman
- Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman

OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(08:52) - September 11, 2001
(36:48) - Falling man
(40:58) - Ground Zero
(47:17) - 20 for 20
(50:27) - What it means to be a great firefighter
(53:11) - Why did you become a firefighter?
(55:00) - Tally Ho
(57:46) - New view of the world
(1:05:16) - Empathy
(1:09:49) - Leukemia
(1:25:18) - New York City
(1:31:28) - John Feal
(1:44:57) - Conspiracy theories
(1:53:45) - Faith
(1:55:44) - Modern communication
(2:00:11) - Hand written letters
(2:14:02) - Love
(2:25:45) - War in Afghanistan
(2:37:24) - Brave stories from 9/11

Niels Jorgensen is a former New York firefighter for over 21 years, who was there at Ground Zero on September 11th, 2001. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– ROKA: <a href="https://roka.com/">https://roka.com/</a> and use code LEX to get 20% off your first order 
– MUD\WTR: <a href="https://mudwtr.com/lex">https://mudwtr.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get 5% off 
– Magic Spoon: <a href="https://magicspoon.com/lex">https://magicspoon.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get $5 off 
– Blinkist: <a href="https://blinkist.com/lex">https://blinkist.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get 25% off premium
EPISODE LINKS: 
Niels’s 20 for 20 Podcast: <a href="https://ironlightlabs.org/20-for-20/">https://ironlightlabs.org/20-for-20/</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
– LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a> 
– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(08:52) – September 11, 2001 
(36:48) – Falling man 
(40:58) – Ground Zero 
(47:17) – 20 for 20 
(50:27) – What it means to be a great firefighter 
(53:11) – Why did you become a firefighter? 
(55:00) – Tally Ho 
(57:46) – New view of the world 
(1:05:16) – Empathy 
(1:09:49) – Leukemia 
(1:25:18) – New York City 
(1:31:28) – John Feal 
(1:44:57) – Conspiracy theories 
(1:53:45) – Faith 
(1:55:44) – Modern communication 
(2:00:11) – Hand written letters 
(2:14:02) – Love 
(2:25:45) – War in Afghanistan 
(2:37:24) – Brave stories from 9/11

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