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#218 – Jaron Lanier: Virtual Reality, Social Media & the Future of Humans and AI

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Jaron Lanier is a computer scientist, composer, artist, author, and founder of the field of virtual reality. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
Jaron's Website: http://www.jaronlanier.com/
Jaron's Books: https://amzn.to/3tlhl9T

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Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8
RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/
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YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips

SUPPORT & CONNECT:
- Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast
- Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman
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- Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman

OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(08:04) - What is reality?
(12:17) - Turing machines
(13:35) - Simulating our universe
(19:49) - Video games and other immersive experiences
(23:37) - Death and consciousness
(32:08) - Designing human-centric AI
(33:42) - Empathy with robots
(37:33) - Social media incentives
(49:53) - Data dignity
(57:26) - Jack Dorsey and Twitter
(1:09:10) - Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies
(1:13:51) - Government overreach and freedom
(1:24:06) - GitHub and TikTok
(1:26:16) - The Autodidactic Universe
(1:31:07) - Humans and the mystery of music
(1:37:17) - Defining moments
(1:48:03) - Mortality
(1:49:56) - The meaning of life

Jaron Lanier is a computer scientist, composer, artist, author, and founder of the field of virtual reality. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– Skiff 
– Novo: <a href="https://banknovo.com/lex">https://banknovo.com/lex</a> 
– Onnit: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/onnit">https://lexfridman.com/onnit</a> to get up to 10% off 
– Indeed: <a href="https://indeed.com/lex">https://indeed.com/lex</a> to get $75 credit 
– Eight Sleep: <a href="https://www.eightsleep.com/lex">https://www.eightsleep.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get special savings
EPISODE LINKS: 
Jaron’s Website: <a href="http://www.jaronlanier.com/">http://www.jaronlanier.com/</a> 
Jaron’s Books: <a href="https://amzn.to/3tlhl9T">https://amzn.to/3tlhl9T</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2MAi0BvDc6GTFvKFPXnkCL">https://open.spotify.com/show/2MAi0BvDc6GTFvKFPXnkCL</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
– LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a> 
– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(08:04) – What is reality? 
(12:17) – Turing machines 
(13:35) – Simulating our universe 
(19:49) – Video games and other immersive experiences 
(23:37) – Death and consciousness 
(32:08) – Designing human-centric AI 
(33:42) – Empathy with robots 
(37:33) – Social media incentives 
(49:53) – Data dignity 
(57:26) – Jack Dorsey and Twitter 
(1:09:10) – Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies 
(1:13:51) – Government overreach and freedom 
(1:24:06) – GitHub and TikTok 
(1:26:16) – The Autodidactic Universe 
(1:31:07) – Humans and the mystery of music 
(1:37:17) – Defining moments 
(1:48:03) – Mortality 
(1:49:56) – The meaning of life

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