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#193 – Rob Reid: The Existential Threat of Engineered Viruses and Lab Leaks

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Conversations about science, technology, history, philosophy and the nature of intelligence, consciousness, love, and power. Lex is an AI researcher at MIT and beyond.

Rob Reid is an author and podcaster. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
Rob's Twitter: https://twitter.com/rob_reid
After On Podcast: https://after-on.com/

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Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8
RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/
YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman
YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips

SUPPORT & CONNECT:
- Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast
- Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman
- Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman

OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(08:33) - The most entertaining outcome is the most likely
(14:52) - Meme theory
(18:12) - Writing process
(24:59) - Engineered viruses as a threat to human civilization
(32:45) - Gain-of-function research on viruses
(44:54) - Did COVID leak from a lab?
(52:15) - Virus detection
(1:00:04) - Failure of institutions
(1:07:48) - Using AI to engineer viruses
(1:12:07) - Evil and competence
(1:21:26) - Where are the aliens?
(1:25:19) - Backing up human consciousness by colonizing space
(1:34:48) - Superintelligence and consciousness
(1:46:12) - Meditation
(1:54:20) - Fasting
(2:00:20) - Greatest song of all time
(2:05:46) - Early days of music streaming
(2:17:39) - Startup advice
(2:30:50) - Podcasting
(2:46:12) - Advice for young people
(2:55:15) - Mortality
(3:00:41) - Meaning of life

Rob Reid is an author and podcaster. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– Athletic Greens: <a href="https://athleticgreens.com/lex">https://athleticgreens.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get 1 month of fish oil 
– Belcampo: <a href="https://belcampo.com/lex">https://belcampo.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get 20% off first order 
– Fundrise: <a href="https://fundrise.com/lex">https://fundrise.com/lex</a> 
– NetSuite: <a href="http://netsuite.com/lex">http://netsuite.com/lex</a> to get free product tour
EPISODE LINKS: 
Rob’s Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/rob_reid">https://twitter.com/rob_reid</a> 
After On Podcast: <a href="https://after-on.com/">https://after-on.com/</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
– LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a> 
– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(08:33) – The most entertaining outcome is the most likely 
(14:52) – Meme theory 
(18:12) – Writing process 
(24:59) – Engineered viruses as a threat to human civilization 
(32:45) – Gain-of-function research on viruses 
(44:54) – Did COVID leak from a lab? 
(52:15) – Virus detection 
(1:00:04) – Failure of institutions 
(1:07:48) – Using AI to engineer viruses 
(1:12:07) – Evil and competence 
(1:21:26) – Where are the aliens? 
(1:25:19) – Backing up human consciousness by colonizing space 
(1:34:48) – Superintelligence and consciousness 
(1:46:12) – Meditation 
(1:54:20) – Fasting 
(2:00:20) – Greatest song of all time 
(2:05:46) – Early days of music streaming 
(2:17:39) – Startup advice 
(2:30:50) – Podcasting 
(2:46:12) – Advice for young people 
(2:55:15) – Mortality 
(3:00:41) – Meaning of life

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