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#191 – Daniel Schmachtenberger: Steering Civilization Away from Self-Destruction

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Conversations about science, technology, history, philosophy and the nature of intelligence, consciousness, love, and power. Lex is an AI researcher at MIT and beyond.

Daniel Schmachtenberger is a philosopher interested understanding the rise and fall of societies and individuals. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
Daniel's Website: https://civilizationemerging.com/
The Consilience Project: https://consilienceproject.org/

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YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips

SUPPORT & CONNECT:
- Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast
- Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman
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- Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman

OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(08:05) - Aliens and UFOs
(26:50) - Collective intelligence of human civilization
(34:46) - Consciousness
(46:08) - How much computation does the human brain perform?
(49:47) - Humans vs ants
(57:04) - Humans are apex predators
(1:04:08) - Girard's Mimetic Theory of Desire
(1:24:05) - We can never completely understand reality
(1:27:29) - Self-terminating systems
(1:37:52) - Catastrophic risk
(2:08:04) - Adding more love to the world
(2:35:29) - How to build a better world
(2:52:41) - Meaning of life
(3:00:23) - Death
(3:06:04) - The role of government in society
(3:23:29) - Exponential growth of technology
(4:09:10) - Lessons from my father
(4:14:46) - Even suffering is filled with beauty

Daniel Schmachtenberger is a philosopher interested understanding the rise and fall of societies and individuals. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– Ground News: <a href="https://ground.news/lex">https://ground.news/lex</a> 
– NetSuite: <a href="http://netsuite.com/lex">http://netsuite.com/lex</a> to get free product tour 
– Four Sigmatic: <a href="https://foursigmatic.com/lex">https://foursigmatic.com/lex</a> and use code LexPod to get up to 60% off 
– Magic Spoon: <a href="https://magicspoon.com/lex">https://magicspoon.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get $5 off 
– BetterHelp: <a href="https://betterhelp.com/lex">https://betterhelp.com/lex</a> to get 10% off
EPISODE LINKS: 
Daniel’s Website: <a href="https://civilizationemerging.com/">https://civilizationemerging.com/</a> 
The Consilience Project: <a href="https://consilienceproject.org/">https://consilienceproject.org/</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
– LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a> 
– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman">https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(08:05) – Aliens and UFOs 
(26:50) – Collective intelligence of human civilization 
(34:46) – Consciousness 
(46:08) – How much computation does the human brain perform? 
(49:47) – Humans vs ants 
(57:04) – Humans are apex predators 
(1:04:08) – Girard’s Mimetic Theory of Desire 
(1:24:05) – We can never completely understand reality 
(1:27:29) – Self-terminating systems 
(1:37:52) – Catastrophic risk 
(2:08:04) – Adding more love to the world 
(2:35:29) – How to build a better world 
(2:52:41) – Meaning of life 
(3:00:23) – Death 
(3:06:04) – The role of government in society 
(3:23:29) – Exponential growth of technology 
(4:09:10) – Lessons from my father 
(4:14:46) – Even suffering is filled with beauty

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