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#146 – Michael Mina: Rapid Testing, Viruses, and the Engineering Mindset

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Conversations about science, technology, history, philosophy and the nature of intelligence, consciousness, love, and power. Lex is an AI researcher at MIT and beyond.

Michael Mina is an immunologist, epidemiologist, and physician at Harvard. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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EPISODE LINKS:
Michael's Twitter: https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab
Michael's Time article: https://time.com/5912705/covid-19-stop-spread-christmas/
Rapid Tests: https://www.rapidtests.org/

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SUPPORT & CONNECT:
- Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast
- Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman
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OUTLINE:
Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time.
(00:00) - Introduction
(07:28) - Interacting between viruses and bacteria
(11:42) - Deadlier viruses
(15:13) - Will COVID-19 mutate?
(16:47) - Rapid testing
(34:11) - PCR vs rapid antigen tests
(43:55) - Medical industrial complex
(47:47) - Lex takes COVID test
(54:32) - FDA and cheap tests
(57:17) - Explanation of Elon Musk's positive COVID tests
(1:04:25) - Role of testing during vaccine deployment
(1:07:54) - Public health policy
(1:17:34) - A weather system for viruses
(1:34:26) - Can a virus kill all humans?
(1:40:05) - Engineering a deadly virus
(1:44:47) - AlphaFold 2 and viruses
(1:50:42) - Advice for young people
(1:58:50) - Time as a Buddhist monk
(2:04:54) - Meditation
(2:12:32) - Meaning of life

Michael Mina is an immunologist, epidemiologist, and physician at Harvard. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: 
– Brave: <a href="https://brave.com/lex">https://brave.com/lex</a> 
– Athletic Greens: <a href="https://athleticgreens.com/lex">https://athleticgreens.com/lex</a> and use code LEX to get 1 month of fish oil 
– ExpressVPN: <a href="https://expressvpn.com/lexpod">https://expressvpn.com/lexpod</a> and use code LexPod to get 3 months free 
– Cash App: <a href="https://cash.app/">https://cash.app/</a> and use code LexPodcast to get $10
EPISODE LINKS: 
Michael’s Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab">https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab</a> 
Michael’s Time article: <a href="https://time.com/5912705/covid-19-stop-spread-christmas/">https://time.com/5912705/covid-19-stop-spread-christmas/</a> 
Rapid Tests: <a href="https://www.rapidtests.org/">https://www.rapidtests.org/</a>
PODCAST INFO: 
Podcast website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a> 
Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a> 
Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a> 
RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a> 
YouTube Full Episodes: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexfridman">https://youtube.com/lexfridman</a> 
YouTube Clips: <a href="https://youtube.com/lexclips">https://youtube.com/lexclips</a>
SUPPORT & CONNECT: 
– Check out the sponsors above, it’s the best way to support this podcast 
– Support on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman">https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/lexfridman">https://twitter.com/lexfridman</a> 
– Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman">https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman</a> 
– LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman">https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman</a> 
– Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/LexFridmanPage">https://www.facebook.com/LexFridmanPage</a> 
– Medium: <a href="https://medium.com/@lexfridman">https://medium.com/@lexfridman</a>
OUTLINE: 
Here’s the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. 
(00:00) – Introduction 
(07:28) – Interacting between viruses and bacteria 
(11:42) – Deadlier viruses 
(15:13) – Will COVID-19 mutate? 
(16:47) – Rapid testing 
(34:11) – PCR vs rapid antigen tests 
(43:55) – Medical industrial complex 
(47:47) – Lex takes COVID test 
(54:32) – FDA and cheap tests 
(57:17) – Explanation of Elon Musk’s positive COVID tests 
(1:04:25) – Role of testing during vaccine deployment 
(1:07:54) – Public health policy 
(1:17:34) – A weather system for viruses 
(1:34:26) – Can a virus kill all humans? 
(1:40:05) – Engineering a deadly virus 
(1:44:47) – AlphaFold 2 and viruses 
(1:50:42) – Advice for young people 
(1:58:50) – Time as a Buddhist monk 
(2:04:54) – Meditation 
(2:12:32) – Meaning of life

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