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Panel: <ul><li>Aimee Knight</li><li>AJ O’Neal</li><li>Charles Max Wood</li></ul> Special Guest: PJ EvansIn this episode, the panel talks with PJ Evans who is a course developer and an instructor through Manning’s course titled, “Node.js in Motion.” This course is great to learn the fundamentals of Node, which you can check out <a href="https://www.manning.com/livevideo/nodejs-in-motion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here!</a> The panel and PJ talk about this course, his background, and current projects that PJ is working on. Check out today’s episode to hear more!Show Topics:0:00 – <a href="https://www.telerik.com/kendo-ui?utm_campaign=kendo-ui-awareness-jsjabber&utm_medium=social-paid&utm_source=devchattv" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Advertisement: KENDO UI</a> 0:36 – Chuck: Welcome and our panel consists of Aimee, AJ, myself, and our special guest is PJ Evans. Tell us about yourself and your video course! <a href="https://www.manning.com/livevideo/nodejs-in-motion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">NODE JS in Motion</a> is the title of the course. Can you tell us more?1:29 – PJ: <a href="https://www.manning.com/livevideo/nodejs-in-motion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">It’s a fantastic course.</a> 2:25 – Chuck: You built this <a href="https://www.manning.com/livevideo/nodejs-in-motion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">course</a> and there is a lot to talk about.2:36 – Aimee: Let’s talk about Node and the current state. 2:50 – Chuck: Here’s the latest features, but let’s talk about where do you start with this course? How do you get going with Node? What do people need to know with Node?3:20 – Aimee.3:24 – PJ talks about Node and his course! 4:02 – PJ: The biggest headache with Node is the...4:13 – Chuck.4:19 – PJ: I am sure a lot of the listeners are familiar with callback hell.4:50 – Aimee: Let’s talk about the complexities of module support in Node!5:10 – PJ: It’s a horrible mess.5:17 – Aimee: Maybe not the tech details but let’s talk about WHAT the problem is?5:31 – PJ: You are talking about Proper Native ES6 right?They are arguing about how to implement it. 6:11 – PJ: My advice is (if you are a professional) is to stick with the LT6 program. No matter how tensing those new features are!6:46 – Aimee: It could be outdated but they had to come back and say that there were tons of complexities and we have to figure out how to get there.7:06 – PJ: They haven’t found an elegant way to do it.7:15 – Panel: If it’s a standard why talk about it?Seriously – if this is a standard why not implement THE standard?7:38 – PJ.8:11 – Panel.8:17 – Aimee: I would love to talk about this, though!8:24 – Chuck: I want to talk about the course, please.8:30 – PJ.8:54 – Chuck: We will keep an eye on it.9:05 – PJ.9:16 – PJ: How is it on the browser-side?9:33 – Aimee: I don’t want to misspeak.9:41 – Chuck: I don’t know how complete the forms are.9:49 – Aimee: I don’t want to misspeak.9:56 – PJ: I just found the page that I wanted and they are calling it the .MJS or aka the Michael Jackson Script. You can do an import from...Some people think it’s FINE and others think that it’s a TERRIBLE idea.10:42 – Chuck: “It sounds like it’s a real THRILLER!” 10:52 – Panel.11:25 – Panel: When you start calling things the Michael Jackson Solution you know things aren’t well.11:44 – Aimee: Just to clarify for users...11:57 – Chuck: I want to point us towards the course: NODE.JS.Chuck asks two questions. 12:34 – PJ: The concepts aren’t changing, but the information is changing incredibly fast. The fundamentals are fairly settled.13:22 – Chuck: What are those things?13:28 – PJ talks about how he structured the course and he talks about the specifics.  15:33 – Chuck: Most of my backend stuff is done in Ruby. Aimee and AJ do more Java then I do.15:55 – Panel: I think there is something to understanding how different Node is. I think that Node is a very fast moving train. Node has a safe place and that it’s good for people to know about this space.16:34 – Aimee: Not everyone learns this way, but for me I like to understand WHY I would want to use Node and not another tool. For me, this talk in the show notes really helped me a lot. That’s the core and the nature of NODE.17:21 – PJ: Yes, absolutely. Understanding the event loop and that’s aimed more towards people from other back ends. Right from the beginning we go over that detail: Here is how it works, we give them examples, and more.18:08 – Aimee: You can do more than just create APIs. Aimee mentions <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41786986/vanilla-node-vs-express" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Vanilla Node.</a> 18:50 – PJ: To get into frameworks we do a 3-line server. We cover express, and also <a href="https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/sequelize-orm-nodejs-introduction?aid=701j0000001heIoAAI&ef_id=W%40i67QAABdGIR-5m%3A20181111232741%3As&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoMKk7b7N3gIVArvsCh2-iQpYEAAYASAAEgL1BfD_BwE&oid=&promo=&s_kwcid=AL%215668%213%21277727472944%21b%21%21g%21%21&utm_campaign=US_Dynamic&utm_content=&utm_medium=digital_paid_search_google&utm_source=non_branded" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Sequelize ORM.</a> 19:45 – <a href="https://sentry.io/welcome/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Advertisement – Sentry.io</a> 20:43 – Chuck: I never used Pug.20:45 – PJ: <a href="https://github.com/pugjs/pug/issues/2184" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">PUG used to be called JADE.</a> 20:56 – Aimee.21:14 – PJ: Express does that for you and I agree with you. I advocate a non-scripted approach, I like when frameworks have a light touch.22:05 – Aimee: That’s what I liked about it. No offense, Chuck, but for me I didn’t like NOT knowing a lot of what was not happening under the hood. I didn’t want to reinvent the wheel, but I wanted to build at a lower level.22:40 – PJ: I had the same experience. I wanted to figure out why something wasn’t working.23:24 – Panel: I had a friend who used Rails...he was cautious to make a switch. This past year he was blown away with how much simpler it was and how fast things were.24:05 – Aimee: I feel like if you want to learn JavaScript then Node might be easier on the frontend.24:21 – Chuck: No pun intended.No, but I agree. I like about Rails is that you had well-understood patterns. But the flipside is that you have abstractions...To a certain degree: what did I do wrong? And you didn’t follow the pattern properly.25:57 – Panel: With Node you get a little bit of both. To me it’s a more simple approach, but the downside is that you have 100’s of 1,000’s of modules that almost identical things. When you start reaching out to NPM that...26:29 – PJ: Yes the module system of NPM is the best/worst thing about NODE. I don’t have an answer, honestly.There is a great article written that made me turn white. <a href="https://hackernoon.com/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Here is the article!</a> 28:12 – Panel: The same thing happened with the <a href="https://eslint.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ESLint</a>. That was the very problem that he was describing in the article.28:50 – PJ: Yep, I put that in the chat there – go ahead and read it! It’s not a problem that’s specific to Node, there are others. It’s the way we do things now.29:23 – Chuck: We have the NODE Security project. A lot of stuff go into NPM everyday.29:43 – PJ: We cover those things in the course.29:53 – Chuck: It’s the reality. Is there a place that people get stuck?30:00 – PJ answers the question.30:23 – Aimee.30:55 – PJ: I am coding very similar to my PHP days.31:20 – Aimee.32:02 – PJ: To finish off my point, I hope people don’t loose sight.32:18 – Aimee.32:20 – PJ: I am working on a project that has thousands of requests for...32:53 – Chuck: Anything you WANTED to put into the course, but didn’t have time to?33:05 – PJ: You can get pretty technical. It’s not an advanced course, and it won’t turn you into a rock star. This is all about confidence building. It’s to understand the fundamentals.It’s a runtime of 6 hours and 40 minutes – you aren’t just watching a video. You have a transcript, too, running off on the side. You can sit there and type it out w/o leaving – so it’s a very interactive course.34:26 – Chuck: You get people over the hump. What do you think people need to know to be successful with Node?34:38 – PJ answers the question. PJ: I think it’s a lot of practice and the student to go off and be curious on their own terms.35:13 – Chuck: You talked about callbacks – I am thinking that one is there to manage the other?35:31 – PJ answers the question. PJ: You do what works for you – pick your style – do it as long as people can follow you. Take the analogy of building a bridge.36:53 – Chuck: What are you working on now?37:00 – PJ: Educational tool called SCHOOL PLANNER launched in Ireland, so teachers can do their lesson planning for the year and being built with Express.Google Classroom and Google Calendar.39:01 – PJ talks about Pi and 4wd. See links below. 40:09 – Node can be used all over the place!40:16  - Chuck: Yes, the same can be said for other languages. Yes, Node is in the same space.40:31 – PJ: Yep!40:33 – Chuck: If people want to find you online where can they find you?40:45 – PJ: <a href="https://twitter.com/MrPJEvans?lang=en" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Twitter!</a> <a href="https://mrpjevans.com/bio/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Blog!</a> 41:04 – Picks!41:05 – <a href="https://devchat.tv/get-a-coder-job/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Advertisement – eBook: Get a coder job!</a> Links:<ul><li><a href="https://www.javascript.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">JavaScript</a></li><li><a href="https://jquery.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">jQuery</a></li><li></li></ul> Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support</a>.

Panel: <ul><li>Aimee Knight</li><li>AJ O’Neal</li><li>Charles Max Wood</li></ul> Special Guest: PJ EvansIn this episode, the panel talks with PJ Evans who is a course developer and an instructor through Manning’s course titled, “Node.js in Motion.” This course is great to learn the fundamentals of Node, which you can check out <a href="https://www.manning.com/livevideo/nodejs-in-motion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">here!</a> The panel and PJ talk about this course, his background, and current projects that PJ is working on. Check out today’s episode to hear more!Show Topics:0:00 – <a href="https://www.telerik.com/kendo-ui?utm_campaign=kendo-ui-awareness-jsjabber&utm_medium=social-paid&utm_source=devchattv" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Advertisement: KENDO UI</a> 0:36 – Chuck: Welcome and our panel consists of Aimee, AJ, myself, and our special guest is PJ Evans. Tell us about yourself and your video course! <a href="https://www.manning.com/livevideo/nodejs-in-motion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">NODE JS in Motion</a> is the title of the course. Can you tell us more?1:29 – PJ: <a href="https://www.manning.com/livevideo/nodejs-in-motion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">It’s a fantastic course.</a> 2:25 – Chuck: You built this <a href="https://www.manning.com/livevideo/nodejs-in-motion" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">course</a> and there is a lot to talk about.2:36 – Aimee: Let’s talk about Node and the current state. 2:50 – Chuck: Here’s the latest features, but let’s talk about where do you start with this course? How do you get going with Node? What do people need to know with Node?3:20 – Aimee.3:24 – PJ talks about Node and his course! 4:02 – PJ: The biggest headache with Node is the...4:13 – Chuck.4:19 – PJ: I am sure a lot of the listeners are familiar with callback hell.4:50 – Aimee: Let’s talk about the complexities of module support in Node!5:10 – PJ: It’s a horrible mess.5:17 – Aimee: Maybe not the tech details but let’s talk about WHAT the problem is?5:31 – PJ: You are talking about Proper Native ES6 right?They are arguing about how to implement it. 6:11 – PJ: My advice is (if you are a professional) is to stick with the LT6 program. No matter how tensing those new features are!6:46 – Aimee: It could be outdated but they had to come back and say that there were tons of complexities and we have to figure out how to get there.7:06 – PJ: They haven’t found an elegant way to do it.7:15 – Panel: If it’s a standard why talk about it?Seriously – if this is a standard why not implement THE standard?7:38 – PJ.8:11 – Panel.8:17 – Aimee: I would love to talk about this, though!8:24 – Chuck: I want to talk about the course, please.8:30 – PJ.8:54 – Chuck: We will keep an eye on it.9:05 – PJ.9:16 – PJ: How is it on the browser-side?9:33 – Aimee: I don’t want to misspeak.9:41 – Chuck: I don’t know how complete the forms are.9:49 – Aimee: I don’t want to misspeak.9:56 – PJ: I just found the page that I wanted and they are calling it the.MJS or aka the Michael Jackson Script. You can do an import from...Some people think it’s FINE and others think that it’s a TERRIBLE idea.10:42 – Chuck: “It sounds like it’s a real THRILLER!” 10:52 – Panel.11:25 – Panel: When you start calling things the Michael Jackson Solution you know things aren’t well.11:44 – Aimee: Just to clarify for users...11:57 – Chuck: I want to point us towards the course: NODE.JS.Chuck asks two questions. 12:34 – PJ: The concepts aren’t changing, but the information is changing incredibly fast. The fundamentals are fairly settled.13:22 – Chuck: What are those things?13:28 – PJ talks about how he structured the course and he talks about the specifics.  15:33 – Chuck: Most of my backend stuff is done in Ruby. Aimee and AJ do more Java then I do.15:55 – Panel: I think there is something to understanding how different Node is. I think that Node is a very fast moving train. Node has a safe place and that it’s good for people to know about this space.16:34 – Aimee: Not everyone learns this way, but for me I like to understand WHY I would want to use Node and not another tool. For me, this talk in the show notes really helped me a lot. That’s the core and the nature of NODE.17:21 – PJ: Yes, absolutely. Understanding the event loop and that’s aimed more towards people from other back ends. Right from the beginning we go over that detail: Here is how it works, we give them examples, and more.18:08 – Aimee: You can do more than just create APIs. Aimee mentions <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41786986/vanilla-node-vs-express" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Vanilla Node.</a> 18:50 – PJ: To get into frameworks we do a 3-line server. We cover express, and also <a href="https://www.pluralsight.com/courses/sequelize-orm-nodejs-introduction?aid=701j0000001heIoAAI&ef_id=W%40i67QAABdGIR-5m%3A20181111232741%3As&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoMKk7b7N3gIVArvsCh2-iQpYEAAYASAAEgL1BfD_BwE&oid=&promo=&s_kwcid=AL%215668%213%21277727472944%21b%21%21g%21%21&utm_campaign=US_Dynamic&utm_content=&utm_medium=digital_paid_search_google&utm_source=non_branded" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Sequelize ORM.</a> 19:45 – <a href="https://sentry.io/welcome/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Advertisement – Sentry.io</a> 20:43 – Chuck: I never used Pug.20:45 – PJ: <a href="https://github.com/pugjs/pug/issues/2184" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">PUG used to be called JADE.</a> 20:56 – Aimee.21:14 – PJ: Express does that for you and I agree with you. I advocate a non-scripted approach, I like when frameworks have a light touch.22:05 – Aimee: That’s what I liked about it. No offense, Chuck, but for me I didn’t like NOT knowing a lot of what was not happening under the hood. I didn’t want to reinvent the wheel, but I wanted to build at a lower level.22:40 – PJ: I had the same experience. I wanted to figure out why something wasn’t working.23:24 – Panel: I had a friend who used Rails...he was cautious to make a switch. This past year he was blown away with how much simpler it was and how fast things were.24:05 – Aimee: I feel like if you want to learn JavaScript then Node might be easier on the frontend.24:21 – Chuck: No pun intended.No, but I agree. I like about Rails is that you had well-understood patterns. But the flipside is that you have abstractions...To a certain degree: what did I do wrong? And you didn’t follow the pattern properly.25:57 – Panel: With Node you get a little bit of both. To me it’s a more simple approach, but the downside is that you have 100’s of 1,000’s of modules that almost identical things. When you start reaching out to NPM that...26:29 – PJ: Yes the module system of NPM is the best/worst thing about NODE. I don’t have an answer, honestly.There is a great article written that made me turn white. <a href="https://hackernoon.com/im-harvesting-credit-card-numbers-and-passwords-from-your-site-here-s-how-9a8cb347c5b5" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Here is the article!</a> 28:12 – Panel: The same thing happened with the <a href="https://eslint.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">ESLint</a>. That was the very problem that he was describing in the article.28:50 – PJ: Yep, I put that in the chat there – go ahead and read it! It’s not a problem that’s specific to Node, there are others. It’s the way we do things now.29:23 – Chuck: We have the NODE Security project. A lot of stuff go into NPM everyday.29:43 – PJ: We cover those things in the course.29:53 – Chuck: It’s the reality. Is there a place that people get stuck?30:00 – PJ answers the question.30:23 – Aimee.30:55 – PJ: I am coding very similar to my PHP days.31:20 – Aimee.32:02 – PJ: To finish off my point, I hope people don’t loose sight.32:18 – Aimee.32:20 – PJ: I am working on a project that has thousands of requests for...32:53 – Chuck: Anything you WANTED to put into the course, but didn’t have time to?33:05 – PJ: You can get pretty technical. It’s not an advanced course, and it won’t turn you into a rock star. This is all about confidence building. It’s to understand the fundamentals.It’s a runtime of 6 hours and 40 minutes – you aren’t just watching a video. You have a transcript, too, running off on the side. You can sit there and type it out w/o leaving – so it’s a very interactive course.34:26 – Chuck: You get people over the hump. What do you think people need to know to be successful with Node?34:38 – PJ answers the question. PJ: I think it’s a lot of practice and the student to go off and be curious on their own terms.35:13 – Chuck: You talked about callbacks – I am thinking that one is there to manage the other?35:31 – PJ answers the question. PJ: You do what works for you – pick your style – do it as long as people can follow you. Take the analogy of building a bridge.36:53 – Chuck: What are you working on now?37:00 – PJ: Educational tool called SCHOOL PLANNER launched in Ireland, so teachers can do their lesson planning for the year and being built with Express.Google Classroom and Google Calendar.39:01 – PJ talks about Pi and 4wd. See links below. 40:09 – Node can be used all over the place!40:16  - Chuck: Yes, the same can be said for other languages. Yes, Node is in the same space.40:31 – PJ: Yep!40:33 – Chuck: If people want to find you online where can they find you?40:45 – PJ: <a href="https://twitter.com/MrPJEvans?lang=en" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Twitter!</a> <a href="https://mrpjevans.com/bio/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Blog!</a> 41:04 – Picks!41:05 – <a href="https://devchat.tv/get-a-coder-job/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Advertisement – eBook: Get a coder job!</a> Links:<ul><li><a href="https://www.javascript.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">JavaScript</a></li><li><a href="https://jquery.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">jQuery</a></li><li></li></ul> Become a supporter of this podcast: <a href="https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss">https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support</a>.

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